Chapter [Compiling Checksums] - Aftershocks

Chapter [Compiling Checksums] - Aftershocks

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>T/his chapter is updated by nov(ê(l)biin.co/m

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TREANA'AD HIVE WORLDS

The time has come for each member species and organization to speak their mind upon the subject.

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SPEAKER: u/ForTheStarsWeFight for the Treana'ad Hive Worlds

It is not the executioner's duty to swing there axe with joy or malice, but to let it fall with solemn grace. For ending a species is not to be taken lightly, but a dark and heavy burden. For once it falls it can not be stopped until it is done, may the condemned end be swift and painless, and may the Digital Omnimessiah's mercy be upon all.

OUR VOTE IS: AYE

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---NOTHING FOLLOWS---

MANTID NINTH NEO-HIVE

SPEAKER: u/Vagabond_Soldier

I understand the need to destroy the Atrenka civilization. As long as it stands, no life will be safe, but we must remember: xenocide is the most heinous thing anyone can do. It must always be the absolute last resort and if there is any chance at all of another option we must take it. To remove an entire species from the universe is abhorrent but sometimes necessary such as with the Mar-gite.

That being said, I put forth an idea that many of you will not like. Unlike the Margite, we know the Atrenka has the capacity to communicate. We could take young Atrenka captives and temporally neuter them. Find a way to remove their ability to control spacetime and also remove them from their culture and history. This way we can xenocide their culture, but save the people. Culture cracking in its most extreme form.

We would have to isolate them for generations while we re-educate them and the danger would still always be there, but the danger is there for any species with free will. The same free will that is the bedrock of the Confederacy.

It may fail. And if it does, then we can discus xenocide. But we would have at least tried.

I know I am using wording that has very strong negative imagery. Kidnapping children, re-education, erasing a civilizations history and culture. But it is still better than than erasing a species. After what we and the Lanaktallans did to the Terrans and countless other species, we should have been xenocided, but the Terrans compassion saved us from them and more importantly, from ourselves.

Do we not give the Atrenka the same chance?

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SPEAKER: u/Despise_all

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We agree but not for the reasons stated. Xenocide is too kind for them. How many were killed by these monsters? TDH are all but extinct because of them. No xenocide is too kind. Strip them of their phasic abilities, leave them the memories of having that ability but no way to regain it. Let them languish in the dust of their memories never to be able touch what once made them powerful. Let them tell their tale in person, so they may show the rest of this malevolent universe what happens when you cant play nice with others.

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OUR VOTE IS: NAY

---NOTHING FOLLOWS--

MANTID PRIME

SPEAKER: u/Crustyfluffy

Say we make this monstrous decision and become monsters... are we not already dead? To sacrifice who we are in order to become something more terrible than our enemy? Is that different than death? Is it any better?

On the other hand, fuck the Atrekna. Burn them from the universe.

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SPEAKER: u/ICameToUpdoot

The Atrekna have shown that they do have the ability to adapt, improve and overcome. So they have proven the ability to change.

For the longest time the PAWM were thought to be just that. Automated war machines, without the ability to surrender or have a dialog. Until recently when they arrived in DASS systems and did just that, communicated in ways other than "You belong to us" and battle.

This shows that a race/faction that CAN change also CAN change to a version/point where dialog is possible.

There are absolutely no guarantees that the Atrekna would change in a similar way. They could, and have so far, changed and adapted to cause us more harm.

But there is a chance, however slim, that change can make dialog and eventual peace a possibility.

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SPEAKER: u/sixtusquinn

I want to make a rebuttal. I really, really do. The act of xenociding an entire species, condemning them to oblivion, is not an act to be taken lightly. There is no coming back from such an action, and who knows what the Atrekna could bring to the table of the Confederation if only they had the willingness to see the rest of this universe's species as sentient beings in their own right.

But they don't. The Atrekna look upon others, even erstwhile allies, as nothing but a food source or the propagation of their species. And this is done through the most horrifying and painful way possible.

The difference between them and the Mar-gite is that there are clear individuals within the species. And as we all know, gentle-beings, is that there are ALWAYS individuals who are different, that do not deserve the fate brought upon them by the actions of their own species. However, their own tactics of temporal manipulation prevent a 1% line being reasonably enforced, which is the logical "last step" taken before such a punishment is levied. The Atrekna cannot be reasoned with at this point in time, not with the information currently available.

They do not wish to be reasoned with.

And so, I sign the death warrant of an entire species of sentient beings, and may the Digital Omnimessiah grant mercy upon their souls. And, more importantly, may He forgive me...

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SPEAKER: u/kwong879

I sign with not a flourish but with heavy and horrified resolution at what we have deemed necessary to be done. May whatever God's there forgive us for what we are about to do."

OUR VOTE IS: YAY

RIGELLIAN SINGING GLADE

SPEAKER: u/Quilt-n-yarn1844

Based on information from the battle that saw the massive invasion of the Atrekna, I feel this must be brought to record:

The Atrekna are not from this universe. Their universe is dead. It should have BEEN dead millions of years ago. They should have already, by all natural law, been dead. So their very existence is unnatural.

The Atrekna are by definition an invasive species. A literally universally destructive invasive species at that. The only way to ensure the continued natural survival is to eradicate the invasive species entirely.

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With solemn song and notes, we cast our vote.

OUR VOTE IS: AYE

KOBOLD VIRTUAL SPEAKING CAVERN

SPEAKER: u/daviskendall

As they are, I'm not entirely sure that the Atrekna can be 0%-ed.

Their ability to manipulate time inside their bubble realms, seemingly without causing paradoxes while effectively reusing the same material assets over and over again, gives them literally all the time they need to plan, breed, grow, build, etc. The other one - the one I think makes them undefeatable - where they can ride a temporal geodesic to other planets which had ever or would ever intersect their present spacetime coordinates, gives them the ultimate GTFO escape goat.

In the complete timeline of the universe, it isn't just other star systems within the galactic plane that are temporally coincident, and thus allow their weird step-sideways teleportation. It's a statistical certainty that a system that "now" inhabits an entirely different galactic cluster has/will have intersected any particular fixed point they choose to work with. With which to work.

What I'm getting at is that, with enough Atreka pushing the rope, they could just up and escape to Triangulum, the Sombrero galaxy, or one of those really, REALLY red-shifted ones that they name by dumping out a box of alphanumeric Scrabble tiles. For all we know, they have actually done so already, either 150 megayears ago or at some point during Time War 2: Electric Boogaloo. We've been looking within the Milky Way for their spooky particle pollution... have we been looking outward at all?

Noted philosopher Toniztark once remarked that when one messes with time, time has a way of messing back. Yoinking temporal duplicates of their occupied and resource worlds, over and over, is doing my head in with the complete ignoring of conservation of matter and energy hardcoded into the universe's fabric. The longer and the more that the Atrekna Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V within their little pocket empires, the more they are adding mass to the mainline universe. There is absolutely no way that this can be considered a good thing.

We also would like to entertain the idea that if the vote skews yay, during the course of the xenocide, the Atrekna may attempt diplomacy. If such a thing comes up, we would request that such diplomacy will be attempted. We know that they may not deserve such a consideration after all that they've done, but it's the obliteration of an entire species. They'll never be seen again if we follow all the way through. I think despite all that they have done, they deserve the chance.

We may be outvoted, the other species may not be as forgiving as we are. Even so, we feel that we must try. Despite their crimes, the horrors of their species. We would exhaust every other option first. It is a horrible burden to have to xenocide a species. Digital Omnimessiah willing, one we will get the chance to avoid.

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OUR VOTE IS: NAY

HESSTLA CYBERBURROW

SPEAKER: u/LordNobady

The Atrekna are a parasite. they latch on to the living, the worlds, the solar systems, and even the universe and extract everything and leave a dead shriveled husk behind. They are an invasive species to this universe that none of the life has a defense against.

So we must eradicate them and make sure we have them all. there can be none left to start again.

But as a species that has been invaded not once but twice by them, we implore that before we nuke them we look if the native species is still there, if so we must try to rescue them. Either by freeing their solar system or by giving them a new one to live on. Saving the universe from this invasive species is not worth it if we destroy what is good about it.

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OUR VOTE IS: AYE

TUKNA'RN DISCUSSION FORUM

SPEAKER: u/Turtledonuts

No precursor species (and few in general) demonstrated the capacity for reason or negotiation before they were beaten. The Lanaktallan Overseers had to lose, get culture cracked, give up, and ally themselves. The Mantid had to be systemically destroyed so their worker castes could rise up and negotiate. The Treana'ad fought to the bitter last before one individual thought to talk, the Pubvians restructured their entire society over their loss. We former neosapients were beaten completely, and had to learn to fight again. The margite werent sapient, but the aktrena are.

The rules and morals followed by the confed dictate a 1% fight. This decision should be made on the 1% line, giving them a chance for one last appeal, considering the following.

A 1% is not permanent, a xenocide is. We can fight them down to scraps and fragments without killing them.

A small handful of aktrena, temporally locked on a planet with no sapients, can reproduce enough for their species to survive. We are not limited technologically, we can 1% them, unlike the mar-gite.

The terrans fought to give someone a chance until the last moment they could.

there is no reason we cant fight for 1% like were shooting for a xenocide.

they have valuable skills and powers, and they would be mighty allies.

we dont know if they have a cultural block or some sort of serious offense driving this. If we had assumed that any of the other 1% species who refused to negotiate were worthy of a xenocide, where would we be?

What if theres something worse out there well need their tech and knowledge to beat? Do we need a handful in stasis just in case?

Fight like a xenocide and break their backs, destroy their offensive, crush their forces, but make it formal and stay the hand. If they should be xenocided, let it be an execution of criminal survivors, not a rout of a broken army.

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OUR VOTE IS: NAY

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TREANA'AD HIVE WORLDS

The official tally has been done.

Terran Descent Humanity and its offshoots do not possess Gestalt numbers to vote. As a xenocided member their vote is the ONLY vote that may be listed as "abstain" and is recorded as doing so.

All Active Gestalts made the points and counterpoints available to their population for examination. Population votes to the gestalts have been tallied and the most upvoted rebuttals or supports have been recorded.

Each Gestalt has voted with at least 66.67% of the population that voted voting yay or nay.

With all of that having been entered into record, the following tallies have been recorded.

IN SUPPORT OF THE ACTIVATION OF OVERPROJECT NANDEVAL UPON XENOSPECIES ATREKNA: 85

IN REJECTION OF THE ACTIVATION OF OVERPROJECT NANDEVAL UPON THE XENOSPECIES ATREKA: 92

THE MOTION TO ACTIVATE OVERPROJECT NANDEVAL HAS FAILED TO PASS.

LEGISLATION OR ARGUMENTS TO ACTIVATE OVERPROJECT NANDEVAL UNDER THIS NAME OR ANY OTHERS MAY NOT BE ATTEMPTED UNLESS SEVERE MILITARY/CIVILIAN LOSSES OCCUR, WARFARE MODES CHANGE, OR 101 YEARS PASS.

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TREANA'AD HIVE WORLDS

I don't know how to feel.

---NOTHING FOLLOWS---

TELKAN FORGE WORLDS

Hey, how come CONFEDMILINT, CONFEDMIL, and CONFEDINT didn't get a vote.

---NOTHING FOLLOWS---

CONFEDMILINT

We're data aggragations. We don't have the full ranges you do.

---NOTHING FOLLOWS---

CONFEDMIL

We also carry out what is decided, not make policy.

We're the gun.

Your decisions is what aims us and pulls the trigger.

You don't ask the gun's opinion.

---NOTHING FOLLOWS---

HAT WEARING AUNT

Now what do we do?

---NOTHING FOLLOWS---

CRUSADE OF WRATH

Now you are ready to hear our words.

---NOTHING FOLLOWS---